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	<description>My name is Rob Keniger and I&#039;m the co-founder of Big Bang Software and the lead developer of MenuMachine. This is my blog.</description>
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		<title>By: Carmine</title>
		<link>http://menumachine.com/blog/2009/08/trouble-adapting-to-the-cold/comment-page-2/#comment-531</link>
		<dc:creator>Carmine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 29 Mar 2010 20:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can&#039;t wait to get my hands on what is going to be the best menu maker around and one that works with Dreamweaver. I have used 3 different types of menu machines for Dreamweaver and they all suck!. Clunky and very limited. I have to work with other people on my sites and they do not have GoLive so I am forced to use other menu makers so they can edit the menus when I am unavailable. Waiting patiently.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can&#8217;t wait to get my hands on what is going to be the best menu maker around and one that works with Dreamweaver. I have used 3 different types of menu machines for Dreamweaver and they all suck!. Clunky and very limited. I have to work with other people on my sites and they do not have GoLive so I am forced to use other menu makers so they can edit the menus when I am unavailable. Waiting patiently.</p>
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		<title>By: Rob Keniger</title>
		<link>http://menumachine.com/blog/2009/08/trouble-adapting-to-the-cold/comment-page-2/#comment-465</link>
		<dc:creator>Rob Keniger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Jan 2010 03:19:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I posted an update in December: http://menumachine.com/blog/2009/12/development-update/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I posted an update in December: <a href="http://menumachine.com/blog/2009/12/development-update/" rel="nofollow">http://menumachine.com/blog/2009/12/development-update/</a></p>
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		<title>By: Marty</title>
		<link>http://menumachine.com/blog/2009/08/trouble-adapting-to-the-cold/comment-page-2/#comment-464</link>
		<dc:creator>Marty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 26 Jan 2010 23:09:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is it ready yet?  The last update I can find is August.  Have you guys given up?  GoLive is getting buggier and buggier and with no support, I am having to force myself to switch over - however slowly - to DW.  Do we have to give up on MM?  Or is there still hope?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is it ready yet?  The last update I can find is August.  Have you guys given up?  GoLive is getting buggier and buggier and with no support, I am having to force myself to switch over &#8211; however slowly &#8211; to DW.  Do we have to give up on MM?  Or is there still hope?</p>
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		<title>By: Pepino</title>
		<link>http://menumachine.com/blog/2009/08/trouble-adapting-to-the-cold/comment-page-2/#comment-431</link>
		<dc:creator>Pepino</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Dec 2009 19:58:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hey, gabrielle... I still use GoLive and I can find no messy code there. And I come from times BEFORE PageMill, when I did sites with BBEdit (in code, that is).
Of course if you let GoLive INCLUDE scripts inside each page, code will be &quot;dirty&quot; or, at least, messy. But changing preferences on that is easy and then each page gets more tidy, less complex, with just a link to the .js file containing the scripts.
As for other code, I found GL to be as messy or as tidy as any other competing product. Perhaps, yes, being already left aside, it hasn&#039;t grown up to meet the latest standards (especially in XHTML, as you point out), but, still, it is my program of choice. It writes nice code (for me), and its user interface is WAY better than that of DW.

And about Rod&#039;s post (november 14th), I can only stand up and applaud. Brilliantly written. Dotted every &quot;i&quot;. My hat off.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hey, gabrielle&#8230; I still use GoLive and I can find no messy code there. And I come from times BEFORE PageMill, when I did sites with BBEdit (in code, that is).<br />
Of course if you let GoLive INCLUDE scripts inside each page, code will be &#8220;dirty&#8221; or, at least, messy. But changing preferences on that is easy and then each page gets more tidy, less complex, with just a link to the .js file containing the scripts.<br />
As for other code, I found GL to be as messy or as tidy as any other competing product. Perhaps, yes, being already left aside, it hasn&#8217;t grown up to meet the latest standards (especially in XHTML, as you point out), but, still, it is my program of choice. It writes nice code (for me), and its user interface is WAY better than that of DW.</p>
<p>And about Rod&#8217;s post (november 14th), I can only stand up and applaud. Brilliantly written. Dotted every &#8220;i&#8221;. My hat off.</p>
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		<title>By: Jason</title>
		<link>http://menumachine.com/blog/2009/08/trouble-adapting-to-the-cold/comment-page-2/#comment-429</link>
		<dc:creator>Jason</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 30 Nov 2009 05:22:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It would be nice to have somewhat normal status updates. It keeps a layer of communication, even if they are short, but it gives us ammo and reasons to keep the faith as you work. It takes but a few minutes to write a quick blog entry to inform us, but in doing so, you let people know how things are going and garner more support as you progress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It would be nice to have somewhat normal status updates. It keeps a layer of communication, even if they are short, but it gives us ammo and reasons to keep the faith as you work. It takes but a few minutes to write a quick blog entry to inform us, but in doing so, you let people know how things are going and garner more support as you progress.</p>
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		<title>By: dmeyler</title>
		<link>http://menumachine.com/blog/2009/08/trouble-adapting-to-the-cold/comment-page-2/#comment-428</link>
		<dc:creator>dmeyler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Nov 2009 01:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well it&#039;s now been three months since the last update on the status of MM3—and in a week it will be December. 

What&#039;s the latest? 

What are the Vegas odds on MM3 being out before the end of the year?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well it&#8217;s now been three months since the last update on the status of MM3—and in a week it will be December. </p>
<p>What&#8217;s the latest? </p>
<p>What are the Vegas odds on MM3 being out before the end of the year?</p>
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		<title>By: Lucy Beebe</title>
		<link>http://menumachine.com/blog/2009/08/trouble-adapting-to-the-cold/comment-page-2/#comment-427</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucy Beebe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 12:50:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I too have been a long time user of GoLive. I have worked in DW but find the interface very irritating and not as intuitive as GL. Not that I can&#039;t learn to be more efficient, but I need the features of MM. I can&#039;t afford the time porting sites over. So for now I will create my menus in MM2 and use GLCS2. Then include as others have mentioned, in DW. I wish for the merging of GL &amp; DW but I have to move forward. When the new MM comes out I&#039;m there! Keep on working at it. PLEASE! Thank you for listening to a long time HTML coder and &#039;just an artist&#039; triving in a computer world. Bring us the MM beauty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I too have been a long time user of GoLive. I have worked in DW but find the interface very irritating and not as intuitive as GL. Not that I can&#8217;t learn to be more efficient, but I need the features of MM. I can&#8217;t afford the time porting sites over. So for now I will create my menus in MM2 and use GLCS2. Then include as others have mentioned, in DW. I wish for the merging of GL &amp; DW but I have to move forward. When the new MM comes out I&#8217;m there! Keep on working at it. PLEASE! Thank you for listening to a long time HTML coder and &#8216;just an artist&#8217; triving in a computer world. Bring us the MM beauty.</p>
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		<title>By: adrian moore</title>
		<link>http://menumachine.com/blog/2009/08/trouble-adapting-to-the-cold/comment-page-2/#comment-426</link>
		<dc:creator>adrian moore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 18 Nov 2009 11:31:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>hiya again
Ok whilst waiting for the &quot;port&quot; to Dreamweaver, can anyone recommend a pluning that get get us by in the time being?

What i need really is a system where i can make image menu system , and the webassit ones are just aweful!

Thanks</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hiya again<br />
Ok whilst waiting for the &#8220;port&#8221; to Dreamweaver, can anyone recommend a pluning that get get us by in the time being?</p>
<p>What i need really is a system where i can make image menu system , and the webassit ones are just aweful!</p>
<p>Thanks</p>
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		<title>By: Jim B</title>
		<link>http://menumachine.com/blog/2009/08/trouble-adapting-to-the-cold/comment-page-2/#comment-425</link>
		<dc:creator>Jim B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 Nov 2009 05:31:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Will someone PLEASE buy GoLive from Adobe and start developing  it again? As a one-man shop, I don&#039;t have the time to convert EVERY SINGLE Javascript action on every page of every site I&#039;ve authored to something that Dreamweaver likes (especially MM2!). I know it&#039;s been a while, but Adobe dumped this on us like a ton of heavy stuff, and I can&#039;t stand the Dreamweaver interface! I thought, by now, that Adobe would have rolled over some of the better features of GoLive into Dreamweaver, but no such luck. I&#039;m now faced with the Snow Leopard upgrade...and as most posters here seem to indicate, I probably won&#039;t have more problems with GL CS2 than in Leopard. BUT, I was born and raised on GoLive, born and raised on its plugin interface (which MM2 handles admirably), and Dreamweaver is NOT the answer, no matter how much Adobe tries to make me switch.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Will someone PLEASE buy GoLive from Adobe and start developing  it again? As a one-man shop, I don&#8217;t have the time to convert EVERY SINGLE Javascript action on every page of every site I&#8217;ve authored to something that Dreamweaver likes (especially MM2!). I know it&#8217;s been a while, but Adobe dumped this on us like a ton of heavy stuff, and I can&#8217;t stand the Dreamweaver interface! I thought, by now, that Adobe would have rolled over some of the better features of GoLive into Dreamweaver, but no such luck. I&#8217;m now faced with the Snow Leopard upgrade&#8230;and as most posters here seem to indicate, I probably won&#8217;t have more problems with GL CS2 than in Leopard. BUT, I was born and raised on GoLive, born and raised on its plugin interface (which MM2 handles admirably), and Dreamweaver is NOT the answer, no matter how much Adobe tries to make me switch.</p>
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		<title>By: Patrice</title>
		<link>http://menumachine.com/blog/2009/08/trouble-adapting-to-the-cold/comment-page-2/#comment-424</link>
		<dc:creator>Patrice</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Nov 2009 18:18:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I can relate to nearly all comments posted recently. I moved from Pagemill in early days to Cyber GoLive, to Adobe&#039;s GL. Like many of us, I was furious when Adobe removed DC after v6. I have nearly 80 or so websites using mysql. Furious. Eventually, I revisited DW, having rejected the early versions as horrid. But, with CS4, with learning new integration with mysql/php, I have to say (no stones please), I am a convert. I build all my new sites in DW now, am converting nearly 50 older sites as I have the time, and as the client can see a benefit and afford the upgrade. I loved GL. I have moved on to DW, and (ducking) I can do more in DW than I could in GL. The fly in the ointment is missing a decent menu. For now, I use GL8, create a MM menu, copy the code into an include. A bit cumbersome, but doable. I&#039;ve tested at least 10 other menus, and they are no where near what MM is. So, any time you&#039;re ready, Rob, we are too. :-) No pressure. :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I can relate to nearly all comments posted recently. I moved from Pagemill in early days to Cyber GoLive, to Adobe&#8217;s GL. Like many of us, I was furious when Adobe removed DC after v6. I have nearly 80 or so websites using mysql. Furious. Eventually, I revisited DW, having rejected the early versions as horrid. But, with CS4, with learning new integration with mysql/php, I have to say (no stones please), I am a convert. I build all my new sites in DW now, am converting nearly 50 older sites as I have the time, and as the client can see a benefit and afford the upgrade. I loved GL. I have moved on to DW, and (ducking) I can do more in DW than I could in GL. The fly in the ointment is missing a decent menu. For now, I use GL8, create a MM menu, copy the code into an include. A bit cumbersome, but doable. I&#8217;ve tested at least 10 other menus, and they are no where near what MM is. So, any time you&#8217;re ready, Rob, we are too. <img src='http://menumachine.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  No pressure. <img src='http://menumachine.com/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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